Building the new Home

A webpage dedicated to building our new home, new construction, by Forino builders in Douglassville, PA. From framing to drywall to moving in. We'll hopefully capture every step by step process to building a new home.

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Location: Limerick, Pennsylvania, United States

Thursday, August 18, 2005


Here is a picture of the same model house we are building, this one is located down the road. Our colors will be close to the same, we wanted the same color stone in square instead of round... but they change the stone colors every few months to avoid too many of the houses looking alike and they didn't have that color available any longer. The one we chose was square and much much lighter. We'll aslo have soldier stones around the top of both rounded windows (the one above the garage and the one above the front door). Soldier stone is the small vertical stones you see on top of each of the garage doors.

There will be one down side to the timing of our house being built. It will be finished in early January... the middle of the winter. This means they won't spread our topsoil or pave our driveway until spring... which in lazy builder terms means sometime between june and august. So we will have a lot of mud to deal with for a while. We're hoping they'll dig the foundation and put up the framing before the fall/winter freeze... then we'll sneak on one night and spread some grass seed. With any luck, it will grow enough to hold down the mud through the winter.

Color Selection - My Anger Peaks

Well, in the home building process there's something called "COLOR SELECTION". This is where you get to tell the builder what floors types you want, what color rugs, what options, what stucco colors, etc etc. They of course can't do it on the weekends, and they of course give you very little information up to this point.... where you can't say "I'll get back to you". This is the end of the road, no turning back afterwards... the last meeting before you move into your house in 4-5 months.

So, being the cynical person I am and expecting the worst of people.. I searched out people who had just had the same model built recently and asked them about their experience. You would be amazed how many things the builder tried pulling with these people who were either uninformed, undereducated, or just not willing to fight back. I've read every piece of paper on this house, builder, etc I could get my hands on and I WILL BITE BACK!

So one of the things we heard that the builder has tried in the past was making the return wall from the garage to the house stucco instead of stone to save $. The other thing was that the fireplace which we were told was to be recessed with a shed dormer (a part of the house that sticks out like... well a shed... so the fireplace can be flush with the interior wall) and put in a box room style wihtout the dormer to cut building costs.

So I cut right to the chase as soon as we sit down, tell the lady that we won't deal with any of that crap and we've had enough of the lousy customer service we've been receiving. I asked her about the fireplace and the stone on the return wall.... sure enough, she said they planned on doing both shortcuts. I told her to forget about it and that I wanted it done right. She proceeded to tell me that in the contract it states that the builder can replace anything with a material of equal or greater value. Which was when I began to go off on her and told her there's no way stucco is of monetary or aestheticly greater value than stone and if she couldn't prove this with a purchase order I wanted the stone! She countered by threatening to call and have my deposit given back to me and not letting us buy the home at all. I let her know that was a threat and it wasn't appreciated.

Well lo and behold, the house blueprints come out and the builder has it marked as having stone on the return wall... so there would have been no point to the entire conflict if she had read the paperwork beforehand.

Then we moved onto the windows we wanted changed by the fireplace. Here's where things get really sticky. Ok, so there are normally four windows, two on each side of the fireplace, one high one low. We wanted to change the top window on the side so instead of being a rectangle, it's a square with a 1/4 round circle and we had been quoted $435 per window to do this a few weeks earlier (our realtor got the prices for us). Well, the lady tells us that what the builder is doing now, is if you upgrade to the wall of windows on the other side of the room, they take away those four windows by the fireplace.... if we want those, those will be extra.... $2700 to be exact! At this point, I think there was steam coming out of my ears... I could feel the blood boiling in my face. I argued with her for a while and realized it was doing no good, so I haggled instead. We got the price dropped down to $2400. Now here's the thing... imagine this as a car accident... the guy behind you is rearended and get's pushed into your car. You can't sue the guy two cars behind you that started the whole thing... you need to sue the guy that hit you and in turn he needs to sue the original car that caused the problem. Understand? This is the same deal... so I went and asked for retribution from my realtor and he'll have to get it from the builder. Now I knew if I went and asked for $2400, I'd get laughed at. So, I said I'd take responsibility for the bottom windows and the fact that we had been given an original price for the windows, so we just wanted the difference paid.... $1000. He agreed... so that helped the overall increase to budget a bit.

After that there was no more conflict. We picked out the kitchen vinly and bathroom vinyls from the standard choices (since we plan on replacing these with tile/hardwood ourselves)... so we'll have some butt ugly stuff down to begin with. We also just put the standard formica countertop down since we plan on putting granite down ourselves. All of the lighting fixtures are standard $5 pieces of junk, and we'll be replacing most of those (it's not worth doing it through the builder since the options are limited and prices double what you'd pay at the store).

The tile for the jaccuzzi and shower weren't my first choice, but we got an off white with peach vein limestone in 6x6 tiles (would have liked larger tiles, but for $1500 didn't think it was worth it). The house came with tile in the foyer, we opted to upgrade it to hardwood, just because it was cheaper than tearing up the tile and doing it ourselves. We went with a wheat color and the smaller boards.

We upgraded the kitchen cabinets to Maple and went with a spice color. And we went with a polished nickle knob handle on the cabinets. The cabinets in all of the bathrooms were also upgraded to maple.

The only other thing we got to choose that I can think of is the marble color around the fireplace... we chose a goldish loose marble (it was that or white, black or dark green).

Well, let's all cross our fingers and hope this thing comes out somewhat ok :)

A picture of our lot


Here is a picture of our Lot as it is now pre-construction.

You can see unfortunately there are power lines in the background, big bummer, but still a nice wooded view and to the right is a nice view of the valley.

Tuesday, August 16, 2005

Lot Chosen

Well, the two lots we wanted could not be sold. The builder decided to use the one to put up a model home.... yup you got it... the exact home we are building with basically the same options.

The other lot is where the builder is putting his fill.... and he refused to move it to the lot next door which is also used for fill. Quite a lack of customer service! Those two lots were nice because they were on corner lots, which means a bigger side yard and only one neighbor. Their downside however was they had very small back yards and no views (one of a hill, the other of a corn field). The lot we got, although we're jammed between two neighbors, does have open space behind it, which makes our 1/3 acre more like a 3/4 acre and it has a nice wooded view.



The yellow square is about where our lot is.














This is a satellite image of the neighborhood, Sunset Knoll.
















And lastly, the red star is where the neighborhood is located.

Picture of what house will look like

Here is a pretty lousy picture off the builder's website of what the finished house will look like.

List of Options

With every new home there are options you can select from. Some of these are as simple as the color of siding you want to the color carpet. But then there are some bigger choices. Here is a list of the upgrades we have chosen for the house:


1) Change from 8’x8’ to 8’x9’ garage doors
2) Bilco from Basement
3) 42" Kitchen Cabinets
4) Dead bolt on front door
5) Tray ceiling in Dining Room and Master Bedroom
6) PVC conduit run from basement to attic
7) 220 line for double oven
8) 220 line for dryer
9) Extra Cable prewires in bedrooms
10) Extra Phone prewires in bedrooms
11) Prewire for ceiling fan – light combo in family room and master bedroom
12) Recessed Lighting in family room and kitchen
13) Prewire for garage door opener
14) ¾” Copper Main line in basement
15) Recessed gas fireplace
16) Hardwood in Foyer

Personalized Extras

  1. Better windows by fireplace (Round instead of square)
  2. Change cabinets to fit double oven
  3. Gas downdraft cooktop on island
  4. RI for halfbath in basement
  5. Maple Cabinets
  6. Insulated garage door
  7. Upgrade Ceiling insulation to R-38
  8. Black Appliances (in our case this is only the dishwasher, which we'll probably sell and then change with a stainless)
  9. Wall of Windows in family room
  10. Bedroom door location changed and made into French doors
  11. Removing the half wall and post between the kitchen/familiy room
  12. Prewire for an above counter microwave
  13. Clear shower doors instead of frotsted

All in all, about $16k in extras... not too bad, sounds like most people spend betwen $20-25k.

The only bummer is, no matter how much we fought for it, we couldn't get the builder to paint the walls a color other than white. We offered more money, to buy the paint, but nothing would persuade them. No reason or rhyme why, just wouldn't do it. So we will have to paint everything when we get there.... oh did I mention... I HATE TO PAINT! :) I'm especially not looking forward to painting the 17' high ceiling in the family room.

Some of the "extras" that actually came standard were:

  1. Jaccuzi corner tub in the master
  2. Double sinks in the master
  3. Gas fireplace
  4. Dishwasher
  5. Tile floor in the foyer (which we upgraded to hardwood)
  6. Stone and stucco on the front of the home

Now, when I say these came standard... basically they just toss their cost onto the initial price. So you're really not "saving" anything. But we thought we were going to have to pay more for a fireplace, so we were happy to see that it was included in the original price.

Interior Ideas



We redesigned our kitchen to look like this one. The only difference will be that we won't have the room with the table behind the kitchen and our kitchen island will be wide instead of long like this one.

The house won't come with the microwave, fridge or double ovens, so we'll have to buy those, but the cooktop will be installed on the island and dishwasher in the cabinets by the sink. Also, we decided to go with a spice colored maple instead of cherry. The flooring we're leaving as lineolium until we can decide if we want to put down tile or hardwood.

This is a picture of the family room. The bottom floor of the house has 9ft ceilings and 8' on the top floor, which gives this room a height of 17'. The wall of windows in the back is one of our favorites... watch out heat bill!

The fireplace will be gas (I'm not a fan of having to chop wood).

Now if we could only afford to decorate the house as nicely as they are in all of the model homes and pictures! Keep your cash, please send furniture! :)

The house



This is what our new house will look like. It is 3200 sq.ft. with 4 bedrooms 2.5 baths. There is a downstairs office, front and rear staircases, upstairs laundry room, two story family room and two story foyer and the master bedroom has a sitting room, jaccuzi and his and her walk in closets.

The front will be stone on the tower and garage with stucco on the other two areas. We are also putting copper roofing above the two bay windows.

We are running into a bit of a problem with the realtor/builder on which lot in the development we will be building on. We originally had a lot picked out and the contract signed, only to find out now that the house is too big for the lot :( So we put in for another lot, bigger and of course therefor more $, but now they're saying they don't want to sell us that lot, they want us to buy the lot next to the one we originally wanted. There's nothing wrong with the lot they want us to take, now it's just a matter of why the heck can't we buy the other one? So we'll see.

The development is just what I was looking for, smaller and within a 40min commute to work. There are 90 houses in the community, each sitting on a 1/3 acre. I really would have liked 1 acre or more, but when I saw the prices for that.... I couldn't afford to pitch a tent on it :)

To the right is a picture of our development. It has two entrances. We are currently looking at a lot on the upper left (view out to the mountains) or the bottom left (no view but large lot).

Welcome to the new BLOG!




Well, I thought I'd never be sucked into the world of BLOGs, but I thought it would be a good way for me to track the progress of the new home I am building.

A bit of background:

In Dec of 2002 I graduated from Rensselaer Polytechnic University with a dual major in Electrical and Computer Systems Engineering. Man was I happy to get the heck out of there!

In Feb 2003 I began working for Procter & Gamble as a manager of the electrical department for three of their production lines. In 2004 I was promoted to the Electrical Project Leader for the Tier 1 level of the plant.

I had purchased a home there shortly after beginning work at P&G, which is located in NorthEast PA. It was about 3500 sqft, 4 bedrooms, 3.5 baths. It needed a bit of remodeling and work done, but was a beautiful home.



The house also had a beautiful view of the spring fed lake (Harveys Lake). The lake was full of brown trout, some up to 11lbs... the biggest I ever caught was 6lbs though.





However, I had been dating a girl I met in college (Theresa) and she was not able to find a job in the area and took an offer in the Philadelphia area, where we would be close enough for a weekend commute.

Theresa was enjoying her job at Lockheed Martin and could not find much up by me. I liked the work I was doing, but the culture at P&G was getting out of hand. Through downsizing and understaffing, people were forced to do the work that used to take 2 to 3 people. I was working 6 days a week, sometimes more and between 80-90 hrs a week. I wasn't enjoying myself and it was becoming hard to spend time with Theresa.

So finally, I put in for a position at Lockheed Martin as a systems engineer and got the job!

I put the house up on the market for a ton higher than what I paid (including the cost of repairs, remodeling, etc) figuring that if no one bought it, we'd have a nice weekend home in the poconos to go to... I had two offers within the first two weeks and it was sold by the third week for the asking price, minus a couple of thousand for repairs I hadn't gotten to.

So I had to quit work earlier than expected (since I had no where to live) and since my new job at LM didn't start for a few weeks... I went up to Lake Ontario where I had my boat and went fishing for two weeks... oh darn!

For those of you who don't know, my hobby... more like obsession is fishing Lake Ontario.



Here I have a nice steelhead (basically a rainbow trout)

Here I have the main fish we go for, chinook salmon!

So back to the story, after fishing I moved in with Theresa in her apartment. It's a nice place, but only 700 sqft and costs $1000/mo! That doesn't include any of the utilities. So after donating as much of the stuff as I could from my old house, her garage is now stacked floor to ceiling with boxes, furniture, etc. The same goes for the spare bedroom and part of the living room.

Lockheed paid all of my moving costs and is willing to pay my closing costs on a new house if bought within a year. Well that's a no brainer! House prices down here are crazy though. Even though we're 45 mins outside of philly, a nice townhouse 3 bed/2.5 bath goes for $250k! So we've decided to build instead.